Back with a Vengeance: Berkeley’s Head Epidemiologist On the Return of Pertussis

Professor Arthur Reingold is Head of Epidemiology at UC Berkeley’s School of Public Health

California: Is whooping cough coming back?

We certainly are having a resurgence of pertussis in the United States, although it’s never gone away. It is a threat to very young infants, particularly those too young to be vaccinated or who have not yet had a complete series of the vaccines. 

Where does pertussis come from? How can you catch it?

There is no nonhuman source of pertussis. Pertussis is limited strictly to humans. There are no animals that are involved in the transmission of pertussis and it’s not in the environment. So it’s 100 percent a disease that is transmitted from one person to another through coughing and sneezing, through the respiratory route. 

Why hasn’t vaccination wiped pertussis out?

You can be immunized and protected against getting the disease, pertussis, but still have the organism in your nose and throat and spread it to others. Or you can have a very mild illness that is caused by pertussis that causes you to cough, and thereby infect others. So the immunity is not 100 percent from the pertussis vaccine. And what it means is any kind of herd immunity—the way we see, for example, much more powerfully with measles—really can’t be relied upon.

What’s herd immunity?

Herd immunity—the idea that some unvaccinated people are protected because other people are vaccinated and thereby are less likely to come in contact with the organism—is very powerful for some infectious diseases and totally nonexistent and irrelevant for other infectious diseases. Pertussis is kind of in the middle.

Herd immunity is important, and one of the strategies we have for trying to prevent disease in newborn infants who are still too young to be vaccinated is called “cocooning,” where we try to vaccinate all of the adults in the household or who are in contact with that infant. But if people think they’re protected because they live in a generally well-vaccinated population like the United States, and therefore are not likely to get pertussis, that would be the wrong message to give, because the reality is the organism circulates freely in the U.S. despite high levels of vaccination.

Why “cocooning”?

In part because we don’t really have another way to protect young babies except to make sure that, A, they are born to well-immunized mothers and have some passive immunity from antibodies they get from their mother. But then it’s going to be several months before they can have had several doses and be protected through immunization, and we know that most babies who get pertussis get it from immediate contact within their family and the adults in their surroundings. So, B, we are trying to at least reduce the likelihood that the adults around a baby could be a source of infection for the baby. 

Who doesn’t get vaccinated?

So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that’s sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn’t vaccinate. For example, [if] you’ve had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn’t get more doses of that vaccine. So there are some medical counterindications—they are very rare—but they do exist. And then the whole question is, other than medical counterindications, … what types of religious or personal-belief exemptions do you allow?

But the easier it is for parents to opt out, the higher the proportion of parents who do opt out, and within states that make it easier, there are higher levels of opting out. Particularly there are pockets in the states of Washington and Oregon and California, including here in Northern California but also in Southern California, where as many as 20 or 30 percent of parents are opting out of vaccinating their children against pertussis. There are pockets here on the West Coast, and I suppose elsewhere, where that’s really reached an alarming proportion.

From the Summer 2014 Apocalypse issue of California.
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Lady, you need to stop being a sheep with your blind following of the other 30% of your state that’s caused these huge outbreaks. If you were really worried about the health of your children instead of the near religious devotion to your fake medical facts you’d wake up and notice how your children are far more likely to die from diseases that can be eliminated through vaccines than of .0000000000000001% of something that may or may not even be in them.
Amen to that, Truth :)
And there is the insulting fear mongering. No outbreaks in my state! And I’m still not injecting my children with human diploid derived from aborted fetal cell line. Gosh, your so aggressive and looking for a fight! I’ve seen three separate friends over the course of twenty years while being a military wife succumb to death after vaccines and in two instances I witnessed brain damage and on 2 separate occasions I watched what they called sudden infant death syndrome. I was there I saw what I saw and those things helped to shale my stance. You can argue all day long, but I know the shape our country health is in. Autism among military dependents are alarmingly even higher than the general populous.
Once again, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE linking autism to vaccines! This is completely false and a lie. It is untruthful, dishonest, and down right insulting to people who actually work with people in the autistic spectrum.
You are a liar stile!
Wow, I didn’t notice Sunshine’s rant about chemtrails. I’m convinced now she’s a troll, because anyone this crazy would be institutionalized and unable to access a computer wearing a straitjacket.
To each his own. My kids live a privileged life of an informed mom who only seeks out their best possible outcome. I homeschool, organic, homestead and YES…I praise The Lord. I believe in Jesus Christ and I believe living in America affords me the opportunity to be all of those things. I don’t live in a PC world, as you obviously do not live in a PC world for the things you spit out at me. Do what you will, make decisions as you choose, but cut it out already with your illusionary self imposed authority. You have no authority here and it seems to really get under your skin!
“I believe in Jesus Christ and I believe living in America affords me the opportunity to be all of those things. I don’t live in a PC world, as you obviously do not live in a PC world for the things you spit out at me. ” ….and there it is! I choose to ignore your “science” in favor of my 2000 year old book of jewish fairy tales. “with your illusionary self imposed authority,” sounds like the pot calling the kettle black…
Sunshine, I’m glad you mentioned fluoridation. You know when fluoridation first began? 1946. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It’s incredibly obvious, isn’t it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That’s the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it during the physical act of love. A profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred. Women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, but I do deny them my essence.
With regards to the concern over foreign DNA - you consume foreign DNA every time you eat. Even if you’re vegan, you’re getting plant DNA. What of it?
Shaking head: The difference from the plant DNA you eat and the human DNA in vaccines is that it is bound to an adjuvant (toxic irritant) which trains your body’s immune system to react to it. But your own body also contains human DNA. So, can you see the problem with training your immune system to attack human DNA? This could very well be the cause of the huge increase in auto-immune conditions such as MS, arthritis, lupus, fibromyalgia, diabetes, etc.
http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/08/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-47500... You are so wrong. It’s a good thing I live in such a small population. Therefore you don’t need to worry about us infecting you. In encourage you, vax away. My foolish foolish liberal comment was in the context of Dorit blurting out how the stae has the authority to remove anyone’s children. It is BS and I wouldn’t ever stand for it. The state is not my child’s caregiver. They are my children, they belong to no one in a governmental institution. You just missed the point. You say a tiny tiny portion of profits, I think that is one of the most outlandish statements yet. Why won’t anyone address my concerns regarding the use of human diploid derived from abortted fetal cells? I don’t want to inject that into my healthy children! What about this fact is so incomprehensible to you? I again, am not the only one. You guys are just sitting their in your false authority and trying to make my words mean nothing. Well, try harder, because I’m coming from an open mind, you hpguys are just insulting, condescending and this mantra you have regarding all authoritive as if you are the only ones who are in the know….come on, change your tactic. Again, never getting anywhere because your camp just falls apart. My dr. Doesn’t even act this authoritive and allows me to contribute to the dialogue. There is something wrong with your approach. You have authority of your own house, b As I do mine, I draw the line with anyone superseding that authority.
The fetal DNA you speak of is once again just a sham argument. I tried to steer clear of the abortion debate because it really has nothing to do with vaccines. Yes, many decades ago an aborted fetus’ stem cells were used to grow future generations in a petri dish that are sometimes then digested for particular enzymes and chemicals to be used in other products. Once again, to those of us in the scientific community(read: informed) who actually know what this is, as opposed to someone who reads an ingredient list and just regurgitates it for affect, it is not a scary ingredient. Because, once again, if you knew anything about the human body and DNA, once it, DNA is in the body it is immediately digested by both extracellular and intracellular enzymes, so that the smaller pieces can be recognized by immunoglobins or directly sensed by leukocytes to either stimulate an immune response or be digested inside the cell. Instead of feebly trying to act like you know anything about immunology and disease why don’t you take a class and educate yourself. And online websites written by Joe-Bob don’t count. My authority is derived from 200+ years of steadfast employment of the scientific method and peer-reviewed, publish studies. Not to mention 10+ years of academia, and another 15 years of lab work. I’ll ask again - “Where does your authority come from?” How was your “expertise” obtained? -PS, you know…everything on the internet is true!
Apprantly there’s a mod deleting some selected posts. Too bad because Sunshine’s craziness (though most like a troll), was fun to read.
I could care less about McCarthy, I’ve been down this mindset since before she even posed for playboy. Your comments are so typical. I have a stack of pubmed that your camp dissects to further your own view point. Which is why I don’t present evidence anymore. I’m just not vax ing and it seems to really annoy the hell out of you.
With regards to human diploid: http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-li... It seems like you’ll take anything that is contrary to your views as “conspiracy”, so I’m not sure if that link will help. It makes clear that they are not continually aborting fetuses. And that the diploid cells in question are used to grow the attenuated virus, but that the cells themselves are not put into the vaccine. The virus grown in the cells is harvested and further processed before being put into the vaccine. So, to be clear, no human diploid cells will be present in the vaccine or injected into anyone receiving the vaccine.
No trolling here, what an ass for even stating such a thing! You label me a troll because I won’t cow tail to your opinions, false science or I should say dishonest science and I reject any of your self imposed authority! Not a troll, just a different view point. You guys need some more innovative ways to come up with if ever you aspire to a meaningful dialogue!
I know the aborcet cell line is decades old, it is still derived from aborted baby’s! Wether then or now I care not, it still is what it is!!! Good grief. If these vaccines are so crucial and effective, is there anyway to culture and manufacture these vaccines without deriving them from aborted fetal cells? Is that such a crazy notion? Come on….wether they are in the end product, matters nothing, they were still used and someway are infused into the vaccine. They are not just extracted miraculously. Why are they necessary for the vaccine production? I will never ever participate in the vaccine machine!
*it’s cow tow. I think. And I’d say we’re less annoyed by your choice to not vax (though we clearly question it) and more annoyed with how you keep making sweeping statements, but refuse to back them up. Like you’re above it because you did it once before or something. The vaxxer side is backing up their claims. Time for you to step up or bow out Sunshine.
The link I posted answers all of those questions about why human diploid cells are used. I encourage you to read it. And no, it’s not miraculous. They extract the virus from the cell. Kind of like taking a crayon out of a box.
Dimensio, as for the “discredited” doctor, please get up to date on current news. There have been changes in Wakfield’s status, and his research, which was on GI issues, has been replicated. As for the “model”, the only people who listen to her are those who are pro vaccine. They like to delude themselves that people who do not vaccinate, don’t do any research and would take avice from a stripper. This is a delusion.
As your posts reflect an air of authority, which is so not recognized by myself personally….I don’t debate anymore, I’ve seen what you do with a debate. The aggressive and rude manner in which you debate is a headache. I’ve made my decisions based on sound research and can site the same sources as yourself. I already know how the debate works, you call me a troll, I come back with more sound proof, you comment rudely before you even bother to read it, or continue through the research. I know your game and the futility that is is. You are a bunch of miserable offensive and superior authority. Let’s see, I do have research from the same sourced info as you, I already stripped you of any authority in my personal life and I’ve already made my decision …twenty years ago. The only reason I ever indulged the debate was to present with evidence a science to help you not be so absolute in your dishonest statements. Your camp is not capable of a respectful and truthful dialogue. Again, at this point it boils down, I give no authority yo any of you and I can actually read and process and conclude all on my own without your slanted, funded or agenda pushing doma!
Sunshine is a true warrior for trying to inform you idiots. People who buy into things like ‘medical research’, ‘consensus’, ‘peer reviewed’, or ‘medical professionals’ as meaningful qualifiers do not understand the level to which the Ivaxinati have managed to control all published and available sources of information. The fact that literally no ‘credible’ source supports SUnshines viewpoint is just validation of how right she is. She is absolutely correct that we should be terrified of the statistically insignificant risks that invalidated research showed vaccines to be, relative to the very real and measurable risks that pertussis, polio, measles, mumps, etc. pose.
All you antivaxxers need to go off by yourself in your own special city where you are not allowed to travel out of. That way you can keep your crippling disease to yourselves, smart people can stay healthy, and everyone will be happy.
And again, you accuse me of spouting out the same easy argument all the while and yet your reply is the same! Human diploid, mouse bargain cells, monkey RNA, antifreeze, aluminum, formaldehyde, polysorbate, which has been admitted to have cancer virus. The sick list goes on and on. The EPA, WHO, CDC have all concurred that these are all neurotoxic. The amount used in these vaccine production maybe…MAYBE an allowable amount, but when you take and inject a newborn with multiple doses or even over the course of a year, the amounts of it all are toxic. Gardasil has been banned in several countries. In America it has been scheduled for boys, we Hen all along I was crazy and thought it was for the prevention of cervical cancer…but now the dogma is hip eighteens, it’s now so boys can protect themselves from one to three strains of HPV. Now they are discussing giving it to newborns. Sick!!! Just like the hep B vax…I would never subject my kid to such a mindless thing, I don’t carry hep b, and my infant has no risk of acquiring it. Anthrax to be pushed on kids soon. No thanks. It is insane that you continue arguing your points and again, you will dismiss every single thing I say, but you don’t even stoop at that, you start name calling and that whiny tone in your voice comes in loud and clear through your keyboard. No to vaccines… With all of the many vaccines we now hopave on the average vax schedule, why in the world is cancer, diabetes, autism, guillan barre, fibromyalgia, death, SIDS, allergies on the rise in horrifying levels. It Ofcourse is all rhetorical as you have proven to fail a reasonable dialogue. Again, it is a seriously personal choice. With rational reasoning, one might sit back and say…hey, if your so confident. N the protection these vaccines give, then why are you so concerned about my unvaccinated child? You can’t have it both ways! Instead of manufacturing more unnecessary vaccines, why not apply your time and resources to unlocking the mysteries of why all this disease is on the rise in spite of your vaccine programs! I personally believe these third world countries would fare a whole lot more if we went in and provided means for better sanitizer ion and hygiene and nutrition. To see a picture of an emancipated child receiving a vaccine is a crime against humanity. Water, food and hygiene are far better than any vaccine you could administer. You people have it so very wrong!
Treats, on the topic is Ancedotals …I ABSOLUTELY count them among my research. You either believe what you say, or you are so easily brainwashed. To see what I have seen with my own eyes, and not count the story if the parents who has a dead or vaccine damaged child would be of the highest ignorance, and when my friend lost her child to SIDS 14 hours post vaccines…I did it a travesty that you could accept sudden infant death syndrome as a cause of death. Shows your lying, ignorant and narrow mind. I personally need more than SIDS as a cause of death. Let’s dig into that a little big more….if SIDS is the cause y death isn’t good enough, what caused the SIDS? How about jthe toxic vaccine that was injected just hours prior. How about you read a vaccine insert to the possible side affects and dangers. It’s all listed right there. Including guillan barre, SIDS, autism, and the list goes on….say what you want, but you either lie or are flat willfully ignorant and sitting in a place thinking you have a say over wether or not I should vax my child. Audacity indeed.
so the only research that is viable is one that comes to your same conclusion. thats what makes your side so lunatic. i agree that sunshine has a right to choose or not regarding vaccines and any medical procedures. there are a few comments that seem rational in this thread, but the majority or ridiculous and offensive comments come from the pro vax camp. what a bunch of narrow nuts i agree with sunshine that the state has no authority when it comes to superseding parental rights. you people are just looking for a fight.
Not quite. The only research that is viable is research that is conducted using scientific standards. Since this poor woman can’t even *spell* some of the chemicals she lists, I think it’s safe to say that her “research” is not viable. Baseless opinion does not have the same merit in an argument as proven fact. Your argument that the state does not have a right to intervene in these matters is foolish. If her choice to not vaccinate her children only had potential to injure her children, and her children alone, then you *might* have an argument, although the state has an interest in protecting minors from parents who do harm to their children. If she chose, as a parent, to feed her children Doritos as their only source of nutrition, would you claim that it is her right? Of course not. Sadly, her decision has the ability to inflict harm not just on her children, but to anyone her children come in contact with. This is the same reason that driving recklessly is a crime. You’re not just endangering yourself. The parental rights you seem so concerned about the state ‘superseding’ does not include the right of some ignorant, uninformed parent to put everyone else in danger of contracting a serious, yet easily prevented disease.
Did you know that too much SUNSHINE is bad for you? It’s true! Overexposure to SUNSHINE causes cancer. Luckily there are ways to mitigate the harmful effects of SUNSHINE. Reduce exposure to SUNSHINE. Protect yourself from SUNSHINE br using a protective balm of logic, reason, and sanity to filter out it’s harmful rays.
Th far reaching arrogance of most of your comments are really pitiful especially when you speak on matters of my ignorance or the states authority. I just doesn’t matter…none of this matters. You will never successfully insult me into submission. Wether I can spell or not. Or wether or not in all actuality is is a failed auto correct, just doesn’t matter. Keep your head in the sand, keep on strong arming and keep on with your arrogance, it does nothing but expose the indulgent an arrogant authority you operate under. My research is sound, it just doesn’t coincide with yours. My children will never be thrown on the chop block for statistics and study. You argue that my children will need expensive medical costs and in affect fund the pharma business…no ….I beg to differ, they will not. As I have stated, I employ the proper ingredients to assure them of their health. If the state is so certain they are supreme authority iver the unvaccinated children in America….then why haven’t they sounded the alarm and come seize thise unvaccinated children? My guess is….they know better and they also know the crime it would be. It would be civil war! I don’t trust a government who has taken a vaccine, injected a population with disease and then covered it up…the tuskeegee experiments, which is just one example of the atricity committed by the powers that be…all in the name if science. You people are ridiculous to the tenth power!
http://experimentalvaccines.org/eugenics/ Open your eyes! It’s not a conspiracy…a conspiracy is when there is no evidence…there is more than enough evidence. I implore you pro vax people…vax away. You deserve it and are part of the problem.
What a dumb thing to say…don’t you know vitamin D is essential for good health and the most pure form of vitamin D is uninhibited sunshine!!! Sun block causes more cancer than it prevents. You want natural protection against harmful exposure, ramp up your dark colorful berry intake and think about using some coconut oil. Smh at the blatant disrespect and arrogance.
Give up guys. She actually believes that “chemtrails” are real. This is the level of weapon’s grade derp you are dealing with. You will never convince her that there is a difference between a scientific theory and uneducated speculation. She is not capable of comprehending the difference. Evidence is useless because anything that does not support her position is immediately assumed to be from evil sources. The only thing that might ever convince here is watching her own child cough his or her lungs out for 6 months when they get pertussis because they were not vaccinated. It will take that extreme level of pain and suffering to cut through the derp and paranoia.
No, evidence is convincing, you just never present any! I have a library full of evidence, but you guys just can’t wrap your brand around any of it because it does not fit in the narrative that some haughty professor shoved down your throat. Little non thinking minions who have been fully indoctrinated. What a shame. You will be proven wrong, you hav already been proven wrong, you just haven’t woken up to it! Mindless parroting of people who you feel are admirable. Just like sheep… My people suffer for a lack of knowledge comes to mind… Keep in mind, I’m just one composed of very many who have had enough of your slanted, false science and blatant cover ups. There are many me’s in the world! Ponder that
I encourage those who insist to vaccinate. Do so…what I said was, these people who exert a false authority, have no right dictating the choice I’ve made to not vaccinate. Do you have a comprehension problem or do you always grab the tail end and ignorantly jump in with your two cents?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5is16A8pfw&autoplay=1 So, when you’re looking at your sky and you see it go from clear blue…which is a rarity anymore, at least for any length of time…and your sky turns hazy, metallic and ugly…you just think that’s normal? You call me the quack, but you refute even thise things that have been revealed as truth through freedom of information requests…or whistleblowers. Your luck I even bother to indulge your ignorance…willful at that!
From ignorant to pathetic in less than a day. Bravo!
The chemtrail conspiracy theory is one of the most laughable and ridiculous theories out there. Forget the fact that it would take take thousands of employees in private industries to voluntarily participate in poisoning themselves and their loved ones without any of them leaking the conspiracy. Anyone who actually believes that crap clearly has no concept of the volumes of chemicals that would need to be sprayed to get even the parts-per-billion level at ground level. The math doesn’t work. It doesn’t even come close to working. The idea it beyond idiotic.
Everytime I see or hear somebody I know ranting about chemtrails, I ask for actual evidence, and tell them exactly how they can gather actual evidence safely and cheaply. 1. Hire a chemistry and/or astronomy grad student from your local university, and ask the astro grad student to bring a solar spectrometer - chem and astro grad students don’t have much money, so they’ll work for cheap. 2. Have the astro grad student point the spectrometer at the sun, and record the spectrum. He and the chem student can analyze the absorption spectrum independently - both should have the skills at this point - they’ll provide you with a list of chemicals and their relative amounts that exist in the atmosphere. 3. Position yourself so there is a ‘chemtrail’ between you and the sun. Record the absorption spectrum again, and have your grad students analyze it and compare it to the first one. The differences will tell you what is in the plane’s contrail. If there’s anything other than water vapour and the trace chemicals associated with jet fuel burning, well, there’s your conspiracy. This is actual evidence, incredibly simple to obtain, and would be repeatable. This actually manages to shut people up, and even reconsider their beliefs on the subject - at least for a awhile, until they forget that for a brief moment they had actual insight in how to craft a worldview based on actual evidence. They usually come back around to the “OH NOES CHEMTRAILS!”, but they can be reminded again.
Your statements are idiotic….you still sleep. It’s all the same to me, you are being sprayed all the same wether you choose to dig into or acknowledge it. I’ve confirmed this, I’ve spoken to so done in the industry, I have seen footage of the aerosol canisters. I have seen with my own eyes, I feel sorry for your lack of ability to recognize a truth. Years ago, my life was more carefree before I knew what I now know! Stay blind, stay sheep and stay ignorant, that is a choice only you can make for yourself. But you dare to insult because you are to far gone to even bother taking the time to investigate for yourself.
Why would someone like myself bother to go on such a long journey to prove or disprove chemtrails? I already have an inside source. You could access FOIA and see all of the unclassified documents pertaining to the aerosol barium salts and aluminums. I have done both….what about you? Do you understand the implications of climate change in light if the terra forming being instituted around the clock everyday. To deny it is to be blind.
But she’s seen photos of passenger jets loaded with barrels. They are real photos too. Of course they are photos of the water ballast tests that are done on all passenger jets during the test phase of development. The water is transferred between the barrels to intentionally shift the jet’s center of gravity … simulating passengers moving around a jet in flight. They are all available on Boeing and Airbus’ web sites … that’s where the conspiracy theorists got them. Of course the conspiracy theorists photo-shopped in some toxic chemical labels … but they are the “good guys” so we will forget that little deception.
I feel so sad watching this disease gain traction in California. I am one of those unlucky people who is allergic to the vaccine - both attempts at vaccination lead to anaphylactic shock and hospitalization as a child. I moved out of San Francisco 5 years ago just as this nonsense was starting to gain traction, and now it seems as though it will never be safe to go home. It seems that what people who chose not to vaccinate don’t realize is that they’re just not endangering the lives of their own children, but of innocent people around them. I’m also concerned that the increase in infections will allow this bacteria more opportunities to mutate, rendering everyone’s vaccinations useless. Please, learn more about the fascinating history and science behind vaccinations, and try to understand how many lives they’ve saved, and how many people could be put at risk due to the anti-vaccination movement.
Wow, you just gave me at really great idea….just start saying I’m allergic to everything like peanuts and latex and eggs…which those allergies come from the vaccine. But maybe that approach would serve me better in the long run than sit here and subject myself to your novice opinions and snake oil science. No worry, I guess now, I’m just not a good candidate for vaccines as I am allergic to everything! So do me a favor all of you and please…PLEASE do not miss any of your vaccines. My health and my child’s health depend on it!!!
Taylor: Vaccines are to 100% hoax. They don’t work. The history you have read has been rewritten to give the impression that they do. Dr Suzanne Humphries spent 4 years researching the history of vaccination and reported her findings in her book Disolving Illusions. Vaccines are pure poision. The children vaccinated the most, have the highest hospitalization rates. I know there are a lot of pharma sponsored studies that you are assuming are not fraudulent. Trouble is they are fraudulent. They’re created to sell product. The vaccine industry is a 33 billion dollar per year industry. People who say there’s no money in vaccines are quite gullible. Even people who have gone to medical school have been fooled. The few courageous doctors who speak the truth are attacked as unscientific, when their science is more rigorous than most. Vaccines have never saved one life. But, they do spread disease. Vaccine makers know this, and know that it’s good for business. The more vaccines they sell, the most disease that is spread by them, and then they use that to scare people into taking more vaccinations! When you parents told you about Santa Claus, they knew they were fooling you, but they did it for fun. Vaccine makers know their products don’t work, but they fool you for profit. If you never mature intellectually to the point of seeing through their hoax, it would be like growing into adulthood and still believing in Santa. We who have researched vaccines and see the big picture of what’s going on understand that you still believe in Santa Vaccine, but are simply saying it’s time to let go of that fantasy. Health does not come from a pill or a shot. Health comes from proper diet, exercise, fresh air, natural light, positive mental attitude, sense of purpose in life, sense of community, etc. You can’t ignore all of that and expect a shot to magically keep you well.
I stated before, I am a home schooling parent, organic, Jesus freak. I choose this. I do not indulge the mainstream media. McCarthy is no one I’ve ever listened to, no cable tv here…no fox, cnn or msnbc here. I read, read and read some more. I question everything, I draw my own conclusions. I do not like the way this world is going, even your very crossing the line with your socialist and communist views. I live my life, I encourage you do the same. My point is simply this….butt out of my choice. Stop over stepping your authority wiphich again, is just an illusion. Self imposed even. Do you behave this way when not hiding behind a computer screen? Probably not. Long after this discussion is over, people the world over will be making decisions for their family, know your boundaries. Shut up more, talk less and really dig for the truth. The truth is not in your skewed pub med peer reviewed, your Dr of this and Dr of that for profit sell outs. No one has addressed the increase of autism, guillan Bree, cancer, diabetes, latex allergy, peanut allergy, egg allergy….you just go down this road like a lamb to the slaughter! So….go, but travel alone. I can’t convey accurately enough to any of you, how many of me there are. How come no one has tackled the issues of governmental studies and the use of vaccines? I’ve asked several times about the arp tuskeegee experiments, and while the crickets chirped I waited for a response. I was disappointed to read your insults and dismissal of a valid explanation. What about how USA funded and instituted the experiments through vaccines in Guatemala? No answer! We haven’t even scratched the surface….we never got the part about how vaccines are in use right now that have genetically modified components. I’m sure you same all government trusting people will tell me I’m crazy because I prefer organic to GMO. The funny thing is, when I was a kid, we didn’t call it organic…we just called it food! Are you the same people who will try to convince me that common core which is a federal takeover of the education system is a good thing? Are you the same people who would have me to believe the ACA is better, even constitutional, more affordable? Are you the same people who support the ACA really believe in some way I should contribute to the pot and pay for government approved birth control or worse yet, abortion. If you are in any of these categories, you are the problem, not me. I stood gracefully by my husbands side, supporting him and holding the fort down while he would sometimes be gone for a year at a time. I proudly supported him because each enlistment, I watched him stand there and swear an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States of America, from enemies foreign and DOMESTIC! Do any of you know what the cost of these constitutional freedoms look like and do you know what is sacrificed the keep them. Well, if not…than shut up. I do know. I Each word of the constitution is a right you enjoy, and someone else sacrificed a lot for that right. You want to have you’re opinion based on your evidence, more power to you. The attitudes and opinions I have seen expressed here totally undermine my rights to be as I will to be. Parents who choose to not follow status quo eventually find validation, yet they still remain humble. There is a serious lack of humility through this thread. Watching the horrors of vaccine damage throughout my twenty year stint while traveling everywhere with my husband I have seen enough. After seeing the way they corral four military in a room for mandatory shots, it is sickening. After watching my husbands marine just about die because the anthrax vaccine nearly killed him, he was awarded a full pension and medically retired at age 23 because he proved his case In an American court of law. It was only proven in an American court of law, because the UK had already decreed that the anthrax vax indeed could cause such an outcome. Stop preaching your garbage, get your nose into something contrary to where you normally find yourself. The cdc is not God and neither is the WHO…you have lost any ability to reason or think critically.
Hi Sunshine, what you say is very true. None of us here have been involved in actual studies, we rely on the internet to backup our belief system. “Studies” of some kind exist anywhere to support a view point. The big difference is that some people simply have more common sense and ability to critically think for themselves , while others are deeply programmed to only believe news & info from their “trusted” news source. They instantly dismiss anything that conflicts with their world view. Let them vaccinate and eat roundup ready salads but when they f with me & my kids, that’s crossing the line!
It saddens me to see so many ignore the science that has elevated our civilization to where it is now whether it be climate change deniers or anti vaxxers. Sadly the general populous will pay the price when dealing with polio or other eradicated disease outbreaks in unvaccinated populations or supply chain interruptions or disasters caused by climate change.

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