Back with a Vengeance: Berkeley’s Head Epidemiologist On the Return of Pertussis

Professor Arthur Reingold is Head of Epidemiology at UC Berkeley’s School of Public Health

California: Is whooping cough coming back?

We certainly are having a resurgence of pertussis in the United States, although it’s never gone away. It is a threat to very young infants, particularly those too young to be vaccinated or who have not yet had a complete series of the vaccines. 

Where does pertussis come from? How can you catch it?

There is no nonhuman source of pertussis. Pertussis is limited strictly to humans. There are no animals that are involved in the transmission of pertussis and it’s not in the environment. So it’s 100 percent a disease that is transmitted from one person to another through coughing and sneezing, through the respiratory route. 

Why hasn’t vaccination wiped pertussis out?

You can be immunized and protected against getting the disease, pertussis, but still have the organism in your nose and throat and spread it to others. Or you can have a very mild illness that is caused by pertussis that causes you to cough, and thereby infect others. So the immunity is not 100 percent from the pertussis vaccine. And what it means is any kind of herd immunity—the way we see, for example, much more powerfully with measles—really can’t be relied upon.

What’s herd immunity?

Herd immunity—the idea that some unvaccinated people are protected because other people are vaccinated and thereby are less likely to come in contact with the organism—is very powerful for some infectious diseases and totally nonexistent and irrelevant for other infectious diseases. Pertussis is kind of in the middle.

Herd immunity is important, and one of the strategies we have for trying to prevent disease in newborn infants who are still too young to be vaccinated is called “cocooning,” where we try to vaccinate all of the adults in the household or who are in contact with that infant. But if people think they’re protected because they live in a generally well-vaccinated population like the United States, and therefore are not likely to get pertussis, that would be the wrong message to give, because the reality is the organism circulates freely in the U.S. despite high levels of vaccination.

Why “cocooning”?

In part because we don’t really have another way to protect young babies except to make sure that, A, they are born to well-immunized mothers and have some passive immunity from antibodies they get from their mother. But then it’s going to be several months before they can have had several doses and be protected through immunization, and we know that most babies who get pertussis get it from immediate contact within their family and the adults in their surroundings. So, B, we are trying to at least reduce the likelihood that the adults around a baby could be a source of infection for the baby. 

Who doesn’t get vaccinated?

So the Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds. So that’s sort of been basically adjudicated a long time ago, is my understanding. There are also rare instances where you shouldn’t vaccinate. For example, [if] you’ve had a severe allergic reaction to a vaccine, you shouldn’t get more doses of that vaccine. So there are some medical counterindications—they are very rare—but they do exist. And then the whole question is, other than medical counterindications, … what types of religious or personal-belief exemptions do you allow?

But the easier it is for parents to opt out, the higher the proportion of parents who do opt out, and within states that make it easier, there are higher levels of opting out. Particularly there are pockets in the states of Washington and Oregon and California, including here in Northern California but also in Southern California, where as many as 20 or 30 percent of parents are opting out of vaccinating their children against pertussis. There are pockets here on the West Coast, and I suppose elsewhere, where that’s really reached an alarming proportion.

From the Summer 2014 Apocalypse issue of California.
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“The Supreme Court basically ruled 100 years ago that you must allow people exemptions on religious, personal-belief kinds of grounds” That’s actually completely incorrect. In Jacobson v. Massachusetts the Supreme Court allowed mandatory immunization with no religious or personal belief exemption - the other way around. No court in the U.S. ever found that a religious exemption is required. Most recently, in Workman v. Mingo Board of Education, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the lack of religious exemption in West Virginia even under our most restrictive standard, strict scrutiny.
Nevertheless Dorit, it is my child, and through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children! No court ruling or intimidation would ever force me to change my position. You are a policy maker and a faithful servant to the pharmaceutical industry. Your policy making and one sided agenda does not serve disease free life. There is to much wrong with the vaccine industry to ever take your words with anything other than a grain of salt. Health freedom and Constitutional protections afforded the parents will not be usurped or coerced into doing something unconscionable such as injecting any living thing with foreign DNA , human diploid derived from aborted baby’s, heavy metals, poly sorbate, mouse brain DNA, formaldehyde, ALUMINIUM, thimerasol and bovine cocktails along with antifreeze. To the informed person who can think and reason, your claims are not credible although you come out speaking with a false sense of authority.
I note you provide no actual evidence of anything wrong with vaccines, aside from using the old, weak and false pharma shill gambit. As I explained, the Supreme Court of the U.S. concluded that the constitution does not prevent a state from requiring vaccination to protect the public health. As highlighted in Prince v. Massachusetts, when speaking of a child, the state can also step in to protect that child from a parent’s problematic decision - though they do not have to. I can understand that reading a list of vaccine ingredients can be distressing, without more information. For example, just the list hides how small the amounts in vaccines are: the whole vaccine is 0.5 ml, a tenth of a teaspoon, and most of that is liquid, often distilled water. It also hides the fact that most of these ingredients are part of our natural environment and our bodies are designed to deal with small amounts - like formaldehyde, which we make as part of our metabolism, or aluminum, which is in many, many foods. Here is a useful source about vaccine ingredients: http://www.chop.edu/system/galleries/download/pdfs/articles/vaccine-educ...
Dorit, I didn’t include my evidence or present to you anything that substantiates my research. I’m not doing this with you anymore. Your statements insinuate they you do not work to further the policy in this country on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry. Well, I know your bio, I’ve read to many to count pieces about you and I have found your name on a many vaccine pushing documents. You can deny what you’re doing, but I’m not debating that either. I already know who you are and who writes your paycheck. Good for you. You call them small amounts, you minimize their affects on the human body. That is your choice to do. I’m simply stating that in no setting on this planet, would I ever inject my healthy children with human diploid derived from the murder of a dead baby. I will stand by my beliefs, I will protect my children, I will never be convicted that anyone injecting the masses with DNA harvested from human diploid which IS derived from abortted fetus’. For many, this one ingredient prevents any dialogue about all of the other ingredients. I see the Constitution is just another piece of paper to the industry. But I would and many would not violate their faith or reasoning. I think it’s actually insane to even have a discussion with a professional such as you regarding the use of human diploid and injecting it into a healthy thriving human being. Bill Gates funds the vaccine push all across this world, I saw him speak regarding climate change, he gave this cute little equation, in his litany, he said one of these numbers needed to be reduced drastically, funny hiw he chose the human population number that he said he was going to help reduce. When asked how he would reduce this popular, he said through better vaccines. No thanks, we are just not into eugenics. Tuskeegee Experiemnts Guatemala Experiments Cancer on the rise from the polysorbate cancer virus polio vaccine India paralytic polio from the polio vaccine…I could go on and on, but you see my point. Please, don’t come back with any correction, I may have written it all to plainly! but I completely understand and through a FOIA request, you can verify everything I’m saying. Do with your children what you will, but my goodness, try to curb yourself when it comes to others children. You are not supreme policy maker for the worlds children.
You are not protecting your children at all you are risking their safety with your irrational and untrue beliefs.
Sunshine, I love your comments and am also anti-vax. Just had our pedi sign our waiver yesterday, in fact. I’m also NOT a fan of the Gates, but I feel compelled to point out that the Bill Gates comment is widely misrepresented among anti-vax folks. Gates’s position is that vaccinated = healthier, and healthier populations produce fewer babies, so vaccinated populations will produce fewer babies. Not saying I agree, just want to inform your otherwise-well-stated arguments.
You don’t want to vaccinate your kids? Fine. But you had BETTER keep your disgusting, disease-ridden brats away from my newborn baby. Move away, move far away from everyone. Because what you are too stupid to realize is that your choice is a death sentence to other people.
Your newborn injected cocktail of a newborn better steer clear of my healthy unvaccinated children. Do you see how stupid that sounds? You sound like a little follower, so sorry for your beautifully designed baby and treasure from God himself. Your ignorance makes me cringe. Ps. You injecting your baby with toxic garbage and causes them to shed, is criminal. Wake yourself up before you destroy an already perfect system called the human. Your ridiculous ignorant and nasty comment reveals just what spirit you operate in. Hope your kid doesn’t turn out nasty like you. That is if he or she isn’t drastically affected by a variety of illness and developmental delay. Measles, mumps, chicken pox hep b rubella….are not life threatening, just normal parts if childhood. If Ignorance is deadly.
“Measles, mumps, chicken pox hep b rubella….are not life threatening, just normal parts if childhood.” Congratulations! You just lost the internet.
Then by all means, let your kids be the first in line to be stricken with one or more of those diseases you refuse to vaccinate against. I hear smallpox is coming back into style.
Bravo! Very well said!!!!
I completely agree with you sunshine! The shedding that the vaccinated do is very troubling, to say the least. Injecting something is completely different from eating something. Nature is amazing. The creator of the universe planned well and certain men are trying to take over. The arrogance is disgusting. Agenda 21 population reduction methods are ramping up. Get your free flu shot today! Not.
You know fully well aluminum acts completely different in the body when injected, opposed to ingesting it.
Your making too much sense , your not using scare tactics so therefore your not credible. All kidding aside Thanks for the link , I appreciated it. This reminds me of the lady pouring milk into coke cola bottle.. it curdled the milk… then stated ( LOOK WHAT COKE does to proteins Imagine that in your body!!) I am like umm.. citric acid.. you just curdled milk just like lemon juice would do in milk, pass the coke. I won’t be commenting again no notifications feel free to rant away.
Lemon juice also curdles milk. Lots of things curdle milk.
Why engage the fact-immune? “Do not bother trying to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.” Anyone who has *actually* done the research knows vaccines are as safe as anything can be in an imperfect world. If someone claims to have “done the research” and reached a different conclusions, there’s a few possibilities: a)They’re lying about the research they’ve done. b)They’re incapable of understanding what they’ve read. c)They cannot tell valid research from invalid research. None of these are likely to be changed by comments on a message board. Indeed, studies have shown that the more evidence you show against a firmly held belief, the more people cling to that belief — the human brain, once invested in a wrong idea, keeps throwing neurons at it, the way people keep buying a bad stock because they can’t accept they’ve wasted their money so far.
There’s no evidence that the body can detox aluminum adjuvants. In fact, the reason it is used in vaccines is that the body has no method of removing it from cells and it remains as an irritant, essentially forever. I mentioned to you before of the British man who came down with polio-like symptoms following vaccination, and for ten years doctors said is was coincidence. Finally, a biopsy of some leg muscle tissue was done and they found the aluminum adjuvent deep inside the muscle fibers. Coincidence my a$$!
It took me seconds to grab this. http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2014/491316/ We have access to studies like never before so the medical system cannot continue to decieve the masses for much longer. Additionally, your arguement that the toxic ingredients are so small that they cause no harm is not a valid one when one considers that a bee sting can kill many. Common sense is not very common in conventional medicine. I have healed heart disease, fibromyalgia and cancer 100% natually yet the system still denies this is possible. Conventional medicine is a business, and I am their worst customer, because I ask questions and do my own research. One cannot poison themselves to good health, common sense.
Aluminum does persistent in the Brain after vaccination. New research has demonstrated this. To date there are no CUMMULATIVE SAFETY STUDIES on today’s schedule. No safety protocols for adding more vaccines, no long term risk analysis of the current vaccine schedule. As with all pharmaceuticals, the more you take the greater the risk of adverse reactions. Vaccines aren’t magic, just mandated with coercion.
Dorit do you really believe ingested aluminum is the same as injected aluminum? You have documented your ignorance. It is no wonder that the public is really starting to question the likes of you “no toxic substances in vaccines in the amounts given”, Dr. Pan “the most toxic ingredient in vaccines is water”, and Dr. Offit “an infant can theoretically withstand the antigenic load of 10,000 vaccines”. And by the way, the MSDS statements for vinegar and olive oil are not scary at all, and look nothing like what we find for substances like thimerosal, aluminum adjuvant, formaldehyde, etc. You might want to start doing some serious research using materials which do not already agree with your skewed world view, you might find information like the following interesting. Slow CCL2-dependent translocation of biopersistent particles from muscle to brain www[dot]biomedcentral[dot]com/1741-7015/11/99 “Although generally well tolerated, alum is occasionally detected within monocyte-lineage cells long after immunization in presumably susceptible individuals with systemic/neurologic manifestations or autoimmune (inflammatory) syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA).” “Intramuscular injection of alum-containing vaccine was associated with the appearance of aluminum deposits in distant organs, such as spleen and brain where they were still detected one year after injection.” “Nanomaterials can be transported by monocyte-lineage cells to DLNs, blood and spleen, and, similarly to HIV, may use CCL2-dependent mechanisms to penetrate the brain. This occurs at a very low rate in normal conditions explaining good overall tolerance of alum despite its strong neurotoxic potential. However, continuously escalating doses of this poorly biodegradable adjuvant in the population may become insidiously unsafe, especially in the case of overimmunization or immature/altered blood brain barrier or high constitutive CCL-2 production.” Aluminum Adjuvant Induces Motor Neuron Death in Mice (Shaw et al) www[dot]ncbi[dot]nlm[dot]nih[dot]gov/pubmed/17114826 “Behavioral testing showed motor deficits in the aluminum treatment group that expressed as a progressive decrease in strength measured by the wire-mesh hang test (final deficit at 24 wk; about 50%). Significant cognitive deficits in water-maze learning were observed in the combined aluminum and squalene group (4.3 errors per trial) compared with the controls (0.2 errors per trial) after 20 wk. Apoptotic neurons were identified in aluminum-injected animals that showed significantly increased activated caspase-3 labeling in lumbar spinal cord (255%) and primary motor cortex (192%) compared with the controls. Aluminum-treated groups also showed significant motor neuron loss (35%) and increased numbers of astrocytes (350%) in the lumbar spinal cord. The findings suggest a possible role for the aluminum adjuvant in some neurological features associated with GWI and possibly an additional role for the combination of adjuvants.”
First of all there is an enormous diffrenece between ingestion and injection. Secondly, there have been 0 safety studies of the current vaccine schedule. There are several contraindications for vaccines that aren’t even listed. There is no ling term studies. if you think I would inject my newborn baby after a safety study of 4 days on an adult, you are part if the problem. Besides, enjoy your money while you have it because this kind of corruption WILL be shut down.
If vaccines are as safe as you proclaim, why is there a special court to adjudicate vaccine injury and death claims? No other consumer product on the planet has this kind of protection. Furthermore, 7 people were killed by Takata air bags and they were removed from the market and the company was fined $70 million. Whereas, according to the CDC, the RotaTeq vaccine has killed over 200 infants and it’s still being used and no fine was paid. How is that possible?
And you Dorit, failed to mention that vaccines create mutant antibodies that cause cellular malnutrition for up to 50 years. Malnutrition is responsible for all kinds of disease. Vaccines are also connected with many cancers, autoimmune diseases, digestive problems such as crohns, and allergies. If someone comes at me with a vaccine, I’ll consider it an assault with a deadly weapon and will act accordingly ;) Anyone who values there child’s health and life will do likewise in repsonse to mandatory vaccines.
It is sad to know you wasted time coming up with utter nonsense and are using it to make health decisions for minors.
Lady, seriously… You need to go DIAF.
You don’t speak for all Farkers on this.
The problem with this is that you are wrong - Like the flat earthers are wrong - like the 6000 year old earth cult is wrong - like the creationists are wrong - like the earth is the center of the universe wrong. You are just wrong and you do a disservice to you your children and those who share the space around you.
Sigh, you are an idiot and should not breed or pass along your ideas. Look up “smallpox” on Google Images. This is what happens to unvaccinated children. There’s a reason parents don’t have 10 kids with only 2 survivors anymore….
You forgot to mention that smallpox vaccine comes from cows. Medicine is hard. Basic biology is hard. The main advantage to remaining unvaccinated is that you will die and fail to pass on your lack of natural resistance to disease to your offspring. I have to say that’s a good choice for some people.
Certainly you should have the freedom to make the health choices your choose and reap the consequences, both good and bad, from those choices. At the same time, if you act contrary to peer reviewed medical studies and are deemed to pose a health threat, you should not be allowed to be in contact with the general population. If your choices pose a health threat you should have to live in quarantine.
CALLING FOR A CEASE FIRE: Please stop citing herd immunity when using as an argument to support vaccination. All you need to know about herd immunity is it’s based on natural immunity, when the population all get the disease and recover - they will never get it again and new population are protected by herd immunity. Vaccines offer WANING and TEMPORARY immunity so unless individuals get titers testing you don’t know who is immune and who isn’t so you can’t assess the herd’s immunity to said disease. **Most every adult who I know has NOT had vaccine boosters in DECADES so we are all **gasp!** considered unvaccinated!** Vaccines are a joke! I’m educated and I know more than most people who vaccinate. Challenge given: Please research vaccines!
Certainly you should have the freedom to make the health choices your choose and reap the consequences, both good and bad, from those choices. At the same time, if you act contrary to peer reviewed medical studies and are deemed to pose a health threat, you should not be allowed to be in contact with the general population. If your choices pose a health threat you should have to live in quarantine.
Reading alarmist articles based on pseudo-science and listening to Jenny McCarthy does not constitute “extensive research”. Considering yourself an “informed person” without any background in either science or medicine is laughable. You’ve endangered your child, and any other child your precious little disease vector comes into contact with. If you really want the right to keep your kids vaccine free, for reasons other than a severe allergy to those vaccines, then we as a society deserve the right to isolate your child completely on a desert island in the middle of nowhere. If you want to be superstitious about vaccination, then fine. Do not insult the intelligence of the medical community by pretending that your baseless opinions have any grounding in factual science.
“through extensive research, I choose to not vaccinate my children!” If you chose not to vaccinate your children, your research was clearly not extensive enough. You seem to appreciate the “big pharma’s out to get me” angle, so consider this; does the pharmaceutical industry make more money from vaccinating a child against polio once, or from the supporting medications and devices that child will need to maintain his/her life after being crippled by the illness? “Big pharma” is actually making MORE money off of you because your children aren’t vaccinated. How about that for conspiracy? You’ve been tricked. You’re the sucker, and they’re counting on the pride you feel over accomplishing “extensive research” to keep you their patsy and your children as their lifelong customers.
Sunshine, I am very thankful I was vaccinated as a child and that almost everyone around me was vaccinated as well. People used to be scared to death of things like polio and for good reason. It is a devastating disease. Many other diseases have been prevented due to vaccines. I am too young to know anyone who suffered from polio. Do you know of anyone who had it? Probably not and the reason why is because of vaccinations. Please, do some research yourself and keep an open mind. I hope your kids stay healthy, but it may take one of them becoming severely ill for you to see the light.
Okay for the informed person who can think and reason, but what is YOUR objection?
Listening to Jenny McCarthy on The View or reading every paranoid delusional freak’s website is not extensive research. Unfortunately we all have to be exposed to your poor parenting decisions. Keep your little germ incubator away from sane folk and your tin hat firmly on your head. Crackpots like you should be forced to register with your name, picture, address and your child’s name and picture just like a sex offender since your bad decisions could become a threat to those that have the misfortune of being around you.
And thanks to people like you, your children and others get sick. Don’t you understand herd immunity? If nobody can catch something, then it can’t get passed to the few people who actually can’t get the shots. If there is a critical mass of people like you, then infectious diseases can spread. Would you like your kids to have smallpox? Because if you were around fifty years ago, we would still have the disease that wiped out probably 80% of native Americans, effectively depopulating the prairies enough to where white people could take the land.
Why do you like killing other people’s children?
Thank you! Laws did very little to help the original people of this land! See how well succumbing to documents with pen it helped? Sad state of affairs we have going on with the constant fear propaganda and training to think….
The issue here is one of civil rights, under public health cover. The U.S. Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration of Independence were intended as legal shields, not swords, but that has all changed since 911. Today, we have flipped 180 degrees to adopt “pre-crime” as a rationalization for suspending and worse, abolishing guaranteed Rights. In the instant matter, a government can suspend a Right but only subject to a “compelling state interest”. A vague, ambiguous and argumentative “threat” is the foundation here, which, when compared to precedents, fails to rise to any compelling state interest. For example, during the American Civil War (1.0), Lincoln suspended, but did not abolish habeas corpus. It was restored upon the resolution of that conflict. During World War II, FDR suspended, but did not abolish civil rights for Japanese Americans. Their Rights were restored upon that conflict’s resolution. But here, the alleged threat never resolves. It is analogous to “terrorism”, and anyone who wishes to argue that your Rights haven’t been abolished since 911 should respond with your evidence. So are we to accept that the alleged, hypothetical, argumentative threat of a prospective communicable disease rises to the level of the American Civil War and World War II? Actually, beyond both since what we are talking about is not the suspension Rights, but the outright abolition of them, including, but not limited to; private property; free speech; religious practice, etc. When exactly does this author state, with medical certainty, that the alleged threat is gone? Simple answer? It never does. So the list of obligatory vaccines increases. Moreover, there is no due process with vaccines. Special “star chamber” courts have been created that remove due process and replace it with “special masters”. Vaccines thus become not a public health solution, but an investment model protected from liability at the expense of the recipient who must be subjected to coercion or police action to comply against their consent. There is no longer any “informed-consent’ under the pre-crime metric, when consent is abolished under public health cover. Once something ….anything for that matter, becomes obligatory, the targeted audience is no longer on a need-to-know basis. Why? Because, like-it-or-not, you’re getting it. Any disclosure is discretionary and can be removed or withheld at any future time. Ask someone in the military how this works (they are “government property” or “GI’s” (government issue). Thus, the public also becomes “property” which is a back-handed way of saying slavery. Finally, legal advocates for obligatory vaccines have also advocated the use of force or “police power” to enforce such illegal acts as obligatory vaccination, under color of law. There is no way to “unring” the vaccine bell, meaning, how does the author speculate he can “unvaccinate” someone once the alleged threat has been resolved? In California, the madatory child safety seat laws serve as precedent for obligatory vaccines for children. However, this is not on point since a child is not required to wear those devices outside the vehicle. Moreover, car seats are not overly burdensome. In the case of the vaccines, there are less onerous means to protect a population at risk beside a “one-size-fits-all” solution. I suppose FDR under the current legal metric could have interned whole communities outside the Japanese American community using this logic. This is a civil rights issue under public health cover. It uses irrational and rational fear to engineer consent. And when the engineering of consent fails? The authoritarian arm of the state rises to replace that consent. Already the technology exists to force-vaccinate populations by stealth using atmospheric aerosols and genetically modified foods. Thus, this push to abolish civil rights is a PSYOPS to get the bewildered herd to celebrate their demise, using fear. Finally, the issue of Deconstructionist bias must be exposed… word meanings purposely changed or altered to advance an agenda (vaccines). Today, we see this Deconstructionist bias. The new definition of “healthy” now means “vaccinated”. No longer is a disease-free, asymptomatic person defined as healthy. To be healthy under the new Postmodern metric, one must have a disease introduced into their bodies artificially, and by force if necessary. Welcome to the Brave, New World.
You are absolutely right Sunshine - thank you for your comments - especially those around Drorit - she is a known “faithful servant” of Big Pharma - I do not know why she bothers because we all know she is compromised.
The Supreme Court upheld in the Dred Scott case that African Americans weren’t human but property, and that human beings can be killed at 9 months (roe v wade). I wouldn’t rely on them for anything. Luckily we have 3 parts of government; Justicial, Executive, and Legislative. The 1st amendment to the constitution states that, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” NO LAW. PERIOD. End of conversation. But let’s talk about pertussis. And while we’re at it, can we talk about DTaP? The Diptheria,Tetanus and acellular Pertussis vaccine? We have to. Because that’s what’s causing the outbreaks of whooping cough. Anyone that advocates vaccinations, advocates for big pharma and their billion dollar profits. OUR CHILDREN ARE NOT FOR SALE.
The Nuremberg Code trumps the US Supreme Court’s ruling on mandatory vaccines or any medical procedure,clearly expressing the voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.
Dorit and Paul Offit should know this. They’re Jewish.
When is this kike going to shut her mouth? She sounds like she’s drunk. Pertussis vaccine doesn’t work. You’re contagious for a duration of time after vaccination. Vaccinations don’t even work in infants until age one. SIDS is caused by the pertussis part of the vaccine. In 1979 in Tennessee several babied died after the DPT shot. FULL cell pertussis. A-cell pertussis vaccine since 1996. The babies were vaccinated from the same lot of vaccines. Not a coincidence.
I nite Dirut, that you disallowed my last comment. So much for freedom of speech.
Dorit, Please read the materials safety data sheet for this ingredient found in vaccines: “beta propiolactone” and then tell me how you could, under any circumstances, justify injecting that chemical into a child. sciencelab [d o t] com/msds [d o t] php?msdsId=9924729

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